• Start
  • News
  • Forum
  • Sponsors
  • TTOC
  • FAQs
  • Search
  • About TTF
Board index   FAQ   Search   Garage 
Register  Login
Board index ‹ UK TT Forum ‹ TT Forum - MK1 (8N)

How to - MK1 Alarm Siren fix

Discuss all things to do with the MK1 TT 8N (1999-2006)

Moderators: John-H, conlechi, trev, DXN, RK07, Ikon66, jammyd

Post a reply
182 posts • Page 1 of 13 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 13
John-H
  • John-H's Profile
User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 11660
Joined: 13 Jul 2005, 22:17
Location: Cheshire
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2006, 23:24
ALARM SIREN FIX- HOW TO

The alarm siren on the TT has a limited battery life and has given quite a few people trouble. The first symptoms of failure are a series of beeps from the rear - usually on a cold morning or after not running the car for a while. This means the rechargeable Ni-Cd (or more correctly Ni-MH) battery is getting old and can no longer hold it's charge and maintain it's voltage under load.

Replacement or fix?

You can either get the dealer to replace it for £140, buy the part yourself (P/N: 8L0 951 605 A) for £70 or buy two replacement batteries from Maplin or the like for £10 total and fix it yourself (Maplin Order Code: BN24B [2 required]) . Your choice.

Tools

If you decide to fix it you'll need:

10mm ring spanner or similar
Dremel saw or junior hacksaw
Soldering iron and solder
Hot melt adhesive gun or similar
Some wire and insulating tape.

Procedure

The unit is relatively easy to remove as you can see in Wak's guide:
http://www.wak-tt.com/ttalarm/ttalarm.htm which involves taking the rear light cluster off too.

I found you can get the alarm unit out easy enough through the inspection flap without removing the rear light cluster. You can see it here.

Image

You just need to use a small 10mm ring spanner or similar. Reach round the back and loosen the single nut in the middle of the back of the unit. Once it's loose you can remove the nut with your fingers - be careful not to drop the nut! The Alarm can then be unplugged and removed.

Once you have the unit out you need to perform some surgery. The case is made from thick plastic and is welded and sealed extremely well. Basically you need to cut into the plastic case along the weld seam. You can see the line here 20mm from the edge of the speaker opening. For this you can use a Dremel type tool. I used the 25mm diameter circular saw attachment. You could also use a junior hacksaw for a more controlled neater job. Cut along the line but don't cut on the speaker side of the line otherwise you may cut off the bezel and not actually open the case :wink: . Cut about 1mm to the other side of the line away from the speaker opening.

Image

You need to cut about 4mm deep all the way round. I left a little under the connector to act as a hinge - not strictly necessary but the prongs in the connector, which come from the circuit board, need to swing clear of the connector aperture, so it helps.

Image

Here you can see how thick the plastic is. Don't cut deeper than necessary or you will cut through the circuit board support pillars.

Image

The circuit board has two spring contacts which make contact with the battery you can see at the back of the unit. Unfortunately in this case the battery had leaked and corroded the contact and actually unsoldered it from the circuit board. This alarm siren had been dead for some time. If you catch your siren early enough (when it's still beeping) you shouldn't have this problem as the battery will not have leaked.

Watch you don't zap the electronics with static electricity from walking across a nylon carpet or similar. Best to earth yourself by touching a tap or earthed item before handling.

Image

Here you can see the circuit board unplugged and unclipped.

Image

Here you can see typical damage to one of the PCB battery connectors, caused by acid leaking from the battery.

Image

The leaking battery can detach the connector from the PCB if it has been leaking for long. Here you can see that the corrosion has penetrated through to the other side of the PCB. This might just respond to cleaning with IPA and a toothbrush but in some cases the solder joints may need repair.

Image

If the acid has eaten away tracks and components, as in this example after cleaning, the circuit board is beyond easy repair.

Image

As a reference, here's a high resolution image of an undamaged circuit board:

Image

In even greater detail (click the image):
Image

Now for the thing that causes the problem...

Here's a close up of the Ni-MH battery. There are two of these 3.6V batteries wired in series to give 7.2V. If you can find a readily available source you could just replace them.

Image

Unfortunately I've been informed that the only manufacturer Emmerich, a German company, has ceased trading. Their battery was a 160mAh capacity but in it's later production form had been superseded by a slightly increased capacity 170mAh version. The Full specification was:

Ni-MH three cell stack
3.6 V nominal voltage
160 or 170 mAh capacity
320 mA maximum discharge load current
22.1 mm diameter
11.6 mm height
15.5 gms weight

There is an alternative. These "3V" described nominal 3.6V Ni-MH batteries from Maplin are rated at the same 160mAh and are a suitable equivalent. Maplin P/N: BN24B 3/V150H 3.6V 160mAh

Image

As you can see they are a similar size but a different shape with PCB contact pins. If you use them, you need to remove the old batteries and cut away the plastic that held them, in order to make enough room for the two new batteries.

Image

Make sure you observe the original polarity of the old battery. You need to solder the new batteries in series and solder wires between the new batteries and the two spring connectors on the circuit board. The spring connectors can be unsoldered and removed or cut back to make attaching the wires easier and neater.

The new batteries should be wired in series so that they make one big (twice voltage) battery.

Image Here's another view: > Image

Then the overall 7.2V battery needs connecting to the circuit board with the same polarity as the original batteries. Look at the way they were connected. You can see here that the original +ve connection from the old battery is in the lower part of the picture. This must also be the +ve connection from your new battery assembly. The -ve connection must go to the upper of the two PCB battery connections in the picture.

Image

Remember the new batteries will be charged, so it is important not to short them out or allow them to make unintentional contact with the circuit board components. Construct the battery assembly separately and insulate well before gluing to the case and soldering it to the circuit board.

Here the battery has been shrink wrapped in adhesive heatshring tubing. After doing this I filled the exposed ends with hotmelt adhesive to form a seal in case the battery should ever leak in future.

Image

The two PCBcontacts are best having their spring prongs snipped off so two flat pads remain as a good anchor point to solder on the wires (RED = +ve, BLACK = -ve).

Image

You can glue the new battery assembly in place with hot melt adhesive or similar. It should go in the same position as the original batteries so it clears the protruding transformer on the circuit board. The plastic holder for the old batteries can be broken away to make room. Make sure none of the battery contacts are exposed and likely to touch the circuit board or that three pin connector. Adding some insulating material to protect it is a good idea or heatshrink if you can get it.

Image
Image

You can test the electronics at this stage by plugging in the connector to the car being careful not to allow anything to short out. There should be a slight click from the speaker. If you have "beep on locking" enabled you can test it with this function, or set the alarm off by waving your arm through the window.

If the alarm doesn't work and you have a multimeter, measure the battery voltage. If it's much lower than 7.2V it might need charging, so you could leave it plugged in to see if it recovers. If the voltage is 7.2V or thereabouts it should have worked and this might indicate you had further PCB damage from the acid :? . You could try cleaning again.

Finally, if all is well, the case can be closed up and held together with some hot melt and some tape. Make sure the three prong connector pokes through the connector tube centrally. As good as new :wink:

Image

P.S. If you were unlucky and your unit did not work because the acid damage was too great, ask your local Audi dealer for an old returned unit. They only go into a recycling bin but you can do a much better job than that - have another go and save wasting your new batteries :wink:
Last edited by John-H on 20 May 2008, 19:24, edited 10 times in total.
Image If a job's worth doing....
How to.. Service Schedule, Dashpod Warning Symbols, Oil Change, Haldex Oil and Filter, Safe jacking, Wooden Ramps, Thermostat, Coolant run on Pump, Window cable, Leaking Washer Bottle, Tie Rod, Fuel filter, Alarm Siren, Flasher unit, Parcel Shelf, Sliding drawer fix, Aerotwin wipers, LED Courtesy lamps, VAG-COM, HID bulbs, Radio removal
Top

Advertisement

Hev
  • Hev's Profile
  • Hev's Website
User avatar
TT Owners Club Rep
TT Owners Club Rep
Posts: 4772
Joined: 26 Feb 2005, 01:19
Location: Laurencekirk
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2006, 23:28
Brill write up John [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Hev x
PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!
http://www.justgiving.com/hevandpeter
Image
Top
mac's TT
  • mac's TT's Profile
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 2754
Joined: 13 May 2006, 05:12
Location: Glasgow
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2006, 23:40
Absolutely fab instructions and pic's John. Don't know if I would have the bollox to attempt it though :oops:
225,P-Torque REMAP,MILTEK, LIQUIDTT GAUGE, Comfort indicators,SatNav,Cruise,Forge DV,K&N filter,armrest,cupholder,15mm spacers,neuspeed SS,wakbox,QS Vallance,chrome hanger,alloy mirror switch tweeter, dash switches,air vents and door led surrounds,aerotwin retro wipers,red calipers, bluetooth mirror,DavidG keyring, chrome valve covers and caps & lots of engine bling.
Image
Image
Top
YELLOW_TT
  • YELLOW_TT's Profile

TT Owners Club Rep
TT Owners Club Rep
Posts: 33013
Joined: 25 Feb 2004, 23:47
Location: HARTLEPOOL
PostPosted: 26 Oct 2006, 23:45
Great right up John lets hope you get the credit this time m8 :wink:
Image
GTI INTER show and shine and concours winner 05 Sat/Sun concours winner 06 Sat/Sun show and shine x2 winner Sat 07 2nd place Sat 08
CONCEPT CAR SHOW concours winner 03 concours and car of the show 04
AUDI DRIVE INTER concours runner up 03 winner 04 05 06 07
GAYDON/DONNINGTON TTOC runner up 05 winner 06 07
www.xtr.me.uk/TTQSVSTTR
Top
KenTT
  • KenTT's Profile
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 1959
Joined: 20 Feb 2005, 01:21
Location: Bucks
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 00:11
Hi John

Yet another excellent write up :) .

I still haven't done anything about mine, so after this write up I guess I have no excuse now :oops: .
Image
Top
John-H
  • John-H's Profile
User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 11660
Joined: 13 Jul 2005, 22:17
Location: Cheshire
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 07:46
Thanks. I'd been meaning to do this for ages. Having delved into the alarm siren it's possible to extract a signal to trigger a louder alarm, radio pager etc. The alarm sits on the CAN bus so can be used as a simple interpreter from serial CAN data to logic level with a bit of jiggery pokery :wink:
Image If a job's worth doing....
How to.. Service Schedule, Dashpod Warning Symbols, Oil Change, Haldex Oil and Filter, Safe jacking, Wooden Ramps, Thermostat, Coolant run on Pump, Window cable, Leaking Washer Bottle, Tie Rod, Fuel filter, Alarm Siren, Flasher unit, Parcel Shelf, Sliding drawer fix, Aerotwin wipers, LED Courtesy lamps, VAG-COM, HID bulbs, Radio removal
Top
Adam RRS
  • Adam RRS's Profile
  • Adam RRS's Website
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 5007
Joined: 25 May 2006, 07:26
Location: Campaigning For Rubber Kerbs! WaTTford Innit!
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 08:46
would it be possible to start up a part exchange (as you know what yr doing) and we pay you a sum of money for your troubles?
Image
Formally 'Adam TTR'
Click Here To See My New Car!
Top
RobLE
  • RobLE's Profile
  • RobLE's Website
User avatar
TT Forum Senior Member
TT Forum Senior Member
Posts: 1163
Joined: 20 Mar 2005, 18:08
Location: Devon
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 12:37
Adam TTR wrote:would it be possible to start up a part exchange (as you know what yr doing) and we pay you a sum of money for your troubles?


Exactly what I was thinking! :P

Do it!
mk1 2003 audi tt 3.2 v6 quattro dsg coupe. avus silver with silver nappa leather. BOSE, concert cd-headunit, 6 disc cd autochanger, intergrated i-pod connection for 64gb i-pod touch, sat nav on daveg bracket, snooper s4, bluetooth, cupholders, private plate, otherwise standard - previously a 2003 jeep cherokee extreme sport, mk1 2002 audi tt 225 coupe, fiat coupe 20vt le, fiat coupe 16v, seat ibiza cupra...the list goes on (and it includes a ford probe...!)
Top
John-H
  • John-H's Profile
User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 11660
Joined: 13 Jul 2005, 22:17
Location: Cheshire
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 12:58
Now, I can see what's happening here :lol: :roll: :wink:
Image If a job's worth doing....
How to.. Service Schedule, Dashpod Warning Symbols, Oil Change, Haldex Oil and Filter, Safe jacking, Wooden Ramps, Thermostat, Coolant run on Pump, Window cable, Leaking Washer Bottle, Tie Rod, Fuel filter, Alarm Siren, Flasher unit, Parcel Shelf, Sliding drawer fix, Aerotwin wipers, LED Courtesy lamps, VAG-COM, HID bulbs, Radio removal
Top
aidb
  • aidb's Profile
User avatar
TT Owners Club Member
TT Owners Club Member
Posts: 4377
Joined: 19 Mar 2003, 15:28
Location: Manchester
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 13:48
A brill 'how to' John. Thank you for going to so much trouble. :D

You know, selling your alarm refurb expertise wouldn't be a bad idea. :wink:
Image
Image

mauritius blue TTC
silver leather

davidg TT keyring
Top
JAAYDE
  • JAAYDE's Profile
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 3822
Joined: 15 Aug 2006, 10:11
Location: Enjoying the greenery in SW London
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 15:28
You are the man [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I was waiting for someone to finally post this.... :wink:
Image

Audi TT 225 (modified) - Suzuki GSXR 750 K7 (modified)
Top
pimpster
  • pimpster's Profile

TT Forum Member
TT Forum Member
Posts: 225
Joined: 16 Jul 2006, 13:02
PostPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 17:37
what a brilliant post! Maybe one of the mods can either make this a sticky, or put it in the faqs? Or even Wak could link it from his page?
TT gone... :(
Top
Chip_iTT
  • Chip_iTT's Profile
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 6158
Joined: 14 Nov 2003, 01:57
Location: NW London, gateway to the M1/A1

2001 Audi TT MK1 - 1.8T (quattro)
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2006, 21:32
John-H wrote:Thanks. I'd been meaning to do this for ages. Having delved into the alarm siren it's possible to extract a signal to trigger a louder alarm, radio pager etc. The alarm sits on the CAN bus so can be used as a simple interpreter from serial CAN data to logic level with a bit of jiggery pokery :wink:
John, see you finally got round to it... good one!

you didnt happen to sketch out the circuitry when you had it open by any chance?
Mintex Extreme, Blueflame exhaust, OEM 'facelift' springs, 15mm F, 20mm R H&R, R32 ARB,
was 239BHP @5452rpm, 236ft/lb (AmD 13/11/04), now one-clicked so?
Front brakes, Rear brakes, Springs
Top
John-H
  • John-H's Profile
User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 11660
Joined: 13 Jul 2005, 22:17
Location: Cheshire
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2006, 22:03
Hi Irving,

I've not done that yet but I intend to, in order to use the siren as a trigger for something else :wink: I was intending to find a logic level signal to tap out. Unfortunately there was quite a lot of acid damage and the ink was erased from the resistors etc. I'd like to get hold of another one to experiment with and to scan front and back of the PCB.

If anyone else would like to donate one that's still giving the warning beeps (not one that's been dead for years as that will likely have leaked) I could scan the PCB and repair it at the same time. Send me a PM :wink: .
Image If a job's worth doing....
How to.. Service Schedule, Dashpod Warning Symbols, Oil Change, Haldex Oil and Filter, Safe jacking, Wooden Ramps, Thermostat, Coolant run on Pump, Window cable, Leaking Washer Bottle, Tie Rod, Fuel filter, Alarm Siren, Flasher unit, Parcel Shelf, Sliding drawer fix, Aerotwin wipers, LED Courtesy lamps, VAG-COM, HID bulbs, Radio removal
Top
Chip_iTT
  • Chip_iTT's Profile
User avatar
Too Much Time On My Hands
Too Much Time On My Hands
Posts: 6158
Joined: 14 Nov 2003, 01:57
Location: NW London, gateway to the M1/A1

2001 Audi TT MK1 - 1.8T (quattro)
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2006, 23:09
John-H wrote:Hi Irving,

I've not done that yet but I intend to, in order to use the siren as a trigger for something else :wink: I was intending to find a logic level signal to tap out. Unfortunately there was quite a lot of acid damage and the ink was erased from the resistors etc. I'd like to get hold of another one to experiment with and to scan front and back of the PCB.

If anyone else would like to donate one that's still giving the warning beeps (not one that's been dead for years as that will likely have leaked) I could scan the PCB and repair it at the same time. Send me a PM :wink: .
As you may know I worked up the signalling sequences from the central locking module to the alarm - its not CANBus by the way but a simple bi-directional serial bus - witha view to replicating it but clearly if there is a suitable internal signal... however the siren drive itself wont be any use as this is used for too many things (alarm, armed chirp, batt low warning, etc) from the pics this looks like a low-end microcontroller with a MOSFET driver for the siren itself and a simple charging circuit...
Mintex Extreme, Blueflame exhaust, OEM 'facelift' springs, 15mm F, 20mm R H&R, R32 ARB,
was 239BHP @5452rpm, 236ft/lb (AmD 13/11/04), now one-clicked so?
Front brakes, Rear brakes, Springs
Top
Next

Post a reply
182 posts • Page 1 of 13 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 13

Return to TT Forum - MK1 (8N)

Who is online

Registered users: alexasTT, AME, antmanb, Baidu [Spider], bigbison, BlackRS, brittan, buffery, CamV6, chrisash32, CJ_1st_time_TT_owner, conlechi, crispin, Davy K, DDcrash, Dimy TT, DJE356, Fashling, gar1.s, garreff, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Gregorio, GregR, guy_incognito, hammo1986, hhh, Hoggy, Ikon66, jamiekip, jkm308, johnny_hungus, jonnyc, JPM, julian9876, k10mbd, karlak, kazinak, kerrgsxr1000, KevtoTTy, kw_maher, L9KYM, les, m4rky, MancTT, markg33, markypoo, micalee, moncler1, motafix, mr.jooj, MSN [Bot], MSNbot Media, mtg, nathan180t, oceans7, pas_55, PJLarge, psbot [Picsearch], R5T, romfordphil, rosien, rullingen, sam.ross, seasurfer, Shyde, Sisab, slg, Spinone, Spooks, stevecollier, Stickler, T ROB T, TAL58, talk-torque, Tazy, teo20net, the stig, thedino, TT S Line, TTDan, ttpaul.a, TWEAKED, UKRPG, wallsendmag, Widget, wul, X-UFO, y3putt, Yahoo [Bot]



  • Board index
  • The team • Delete all board cookies • All times are UTC [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
© 2000 - 2010 All Rights Reserved, iCandi iCandi :: © TTForum Style designed & coded by Christian Bullock